tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post1587340785538643910..comments2023-10-10T05:07:13.577-07:00Comments on En Tequila Es Verdad: Lying Liars and the Creationist Bastards Who Lead Field TripsDana Hunterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00890312745525306991noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-85833801994802912252011-06-21T17:30:17.706-07:002011-06-21T17:30:17.706-07:00Very well said!Very well said!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16066285550739882631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-71660376001958372212011-06-21T15:07:03.214-07:002011-06-21T15:07:03.214-07:00Smack-o-matic!
The easiest way to test their hypo...Smack-o-matic!<br /><br />The easiest way to test their hypothesis that a global flood is responsible for all these sedimentary deposits is to design a field trip in which the correlation of these sedimentary units is demonstrated. They didn't do that. The description of this trip had nothing to do with correlation, but cherry-picking some sed facies w/out any time-space context that seem to support the idea of vigorous sed transport. Had they been honest and proposed their trip like that people would've scoffed. Instead they did a vague 'geotourism' type of trip (e.g., the geology of such-and-such an area). Very unscientific.Brian Romanshttp://www.wired.com/wiredscience/clasticdetritusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-70225865042425779692011-06-18T21:21:11.272-07:002011-06-18T21:21:11.272-07:00I believe in God and I believe in evolution. I fin...I believe in God and I believe in evolution. I find if you quote the bible back to these idiots you can usually shut them up. One of my favorites is to quote Psalm 90:4 "For a thousand years in in your sight are like a day that has just gone by." If you believe the world is 6000 yrs old then 6000 x 1000 = 6,000,000 years by Gods standards which is closer to 4.5 billion years by evolutions standards than by creationist standards of 6ooo years. <br /> Mess with their minds like that and they have a hard time coming up with reply's. Most of them have not been taught to think for themselves and just give the rhetoric they were taught. <br /> I used to have more quotes from the bible but have forgotten them. But there are a lot more about change and things like that in the bible that support evolution than not, if you really study the bible its hard not to believe in evolution.Rockdawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17773192781210146517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-53242543280405239752011-06-18T17:35:01.968-07:002011-06-18T17:35:01.968-07:00I think a big problem lies with the general audien...I think a big problem lies with the general audience. You know, the scientific illiterate one that in many places is responsible for doling out funding.<br /><br />These guys are master talking-heads. They create a story that is so meticulously constructed to match creationism, and they have their own circles which self-congratulate themselves on their work, thus calling it credible. The average bloke can't critically examine two interpretations of the geomorphology of a region, and quite frankly the creationist one is far simpler to grasp because it is 'simple' by all definitions.<br /><br />I believe it comes down to not a lack of understanding of earth sciences, but a lack of understanding of the scientific method. How can we compete against a group that will redefine the method to start with Theory and work backwards towards a Hypothesis?Malcolm V Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00126268490488546890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-41544839282854881332011-06-16T16:59:05.967-07:002011-06-16T16:59:05.967-07:00Two summers ago, the North America Paleontological...Two summers ago, the North America Paleontological Convention took place in Cincinnati. As this was a city near the Creation Museum, the organizers of the meeting decided that allowing a <a href="http://www.napc2009.org/creationmuseum" rel="nofollow">field trip</a> to the Creation Museum was a good idea. <br /><br />I honestly regret not sending an email to the organizing committee telling them that that was the stupidest fucking idea ever.<br /><br />If those of us who don't hate science want science to win, the least we can do is boycott organizations which are intent on destroying science. <br /><br />In re: these stealth creationists; not much can be done. Mostly because GSA (and other professional scientific societies) can not exclude people from membership because of religious beliefs, because doing so makes them as intolerant as the creationist's organizations/schools are. I think that pointing out the unequal level of tolerance should be done at all occasions where creationists / intelligent design proponents / global warming contrarians / AIDS=HIV deniers / etc. pretend to be martyrs. If they were truly being discriminated against, they would not be allowed to publish or belong to scientific societies. And yet it is they who form "scientific" journals who demand Biblical literalism, and it is they who teach at schools demanding it.artiofabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09752800767782452460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-83841022949936447302011-06-16T14:23:10.032-07:002011-06-16T14:23:10.032-07:00These guys sort of remind me of Michael Behe. Mild...These guys sort of remind me of Michael Behe. Mild-mannered professor by day, creationist crazy person by night.Cujo359https://www.blogger.com/profile/10385213658828021737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-90909957523993540662011-06-16T11:03:33.698-07:002011-06-16T11:03:33.698-07:00I think the Socratic method (addressing them in th...I think the Socratic method (addressing them in their own terms) is an effective tool when stealth creationists show up at a meeting, but there's usually only 2 minutes at most for discussion after the talk, so the stealthers have the advantage. Short of that, free speech is also a good remedy.Andrew Alden, Oakland Geology bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17369367151045054784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-16160381074765483882011-06-16T10:56:55.442-07:002011-06-16T10:56:55.442-07:00An excellent use of the smack-o-matic.An excellent use of the smack-o-matic.Karennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-38098923121068977772011-06-16T08:26:55.064-07:002011-06-16T08:26:55.064-07:00Well said. This two-faced approach has been brewin...Well said. This two-faced approach has been brewing for a while, I think, with Marcus Ross being a case in point: he got a PhD by quite explicitly <em>not</em> attempting to inject his (unsupportable) creationist beliefs into his research -a small point that is generally glossed over in creationist circles, where they try to give the impression his 'unimpeachable research' was proof of the biblical flood, or something. <br /><br />The problem is, of course, that we're damned if we do and damned if we don't: we call them out, they cry persecution, we ignore them and they claim acceptance. Perhaps we should covertly give funds to allow a few of their creationist victims to attend a conferences where they are making an appearance...Chris Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10923865059164569384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-40437014941097448552011-06-16T06:19:37.522-07:002011-06-16T06:19:37.522-07:00Nicely done. Fun reading.Nicely done. Fun reading.Dr. Jerquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15934444760785537721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-25607483968417526552011-06-16T00:38:01.208-07:002011-06-16T00:38:01.208-07:00*standing on chair clapping wildly*
well said dan...*standing on chair clapping wildly*<br /><br />well said danaSuzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10304929560878904921noreply@blogger.com