tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post2594248453552800580..comments2023-10-10T05:07:13.577-07:00Comments on En Tequila Es Verdad: Crazy Christian Ladies Can Run, but They Can't HideDana Hunterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00890312745525306991noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-13854185791674521522008-10-25T21:24:00.000-07:002008-10-25T21:24:00.000-07:00Obsessing about Gays, much more important than wor...Obsessing about Gays, much more important than worrying about children with no health/medical care, families living on the street, greed, torture .... jeeze, the list goes on. <BR/><BR/>Leave "crazy christian lady" to stew in her own juices with the rest of the rotten potatoes, safely out of sight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-10140570318945305972008-10-25T09:53:00.000-07:002008-10-25T09:53:00.000-07:00People have been interpreting the "Curse of Ham" i...People have been interpreting the "<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham" REL="nofollow">Curse of Ham</A>" incident in fucked-up ways for a good long time. The idea that Ham got it on with his drunken father goes back to the eleventh century, at least; even older is the notion that Ham's descendants were cursed, cast into perpetual slavery and <I>had their skin turned black</I> to mark their status.<BR/><BR/>So: racism or homophobia, take your pick.Blake Staceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13977394981287067289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-14650737128646797072008-10-25T07:10:00.000-07:002008-10-25T07:10:00.000-07:00Actually, I've been going on the assumption that t...Actually, I've been going on the assumption that the original post went away because of a terms-of-service takedown due to its being "hate speech", not because CCL herself took it down; if I thought she had hidden it herself, re-posting it would have been ethically questionable -- and under copyright law, she probably could have demanded that I take it down too. On the other hand, it would be legally fine for me to <I>paraphrase</I> (and possibly misrepresent) her... copyright law is messed-up.<BR/><BR/>And now, as I feared, the attempts to squelch her speech, hateful as it is, have resulted in her making her entire blog private -- the infection is covered with a bandaid without any kind of treatment first. The hate is free to spread unobserved.<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>There is so much crazy in this whole "<A HREF="http://issuepedia.org/God_condemns_homosexuality" REL="nofollow">God hates gays</A>" thing... for starters, the "sin of Sodom" wasn't homosexuality, but being "arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." (Ezekiel 16:49, NIV translation)<BR/><BR/>The fact that even scriptural consistency seems irrelevant to these people just underlines my argument: They are not seeking truth. Their pastors are <A HREF="http://issuepedia.org/Authoritarian" REL="nofollow">authoritarian</A> leaders (to whom "truth" is whatever they can convince their flock is true, and whatever helps them maintain their power), and people like crazy Christian lady are <A HREF="http://issuepedia.org/Authoritarian_follower" REL="nofollow">authoritarian followers</A> (to whom "truth" is whatever their leader says).<BR/><BR/>They don't hate and fear for any real-world reason, they do it because it is necessary in order to sustain the power-structure created by the leaders. To me, this seems to be the defining difference between liberalism and conservatism: liberalism is about valuing the individual, and conservatism is about valuing institutions. The more conservative the view, the more the individual dwindles in importance compared to the institutions which s/he is a part of (and is obliged to help maintain).<BR/><BR/>When you come right down to it, it is an internally-consistent view of the world; the premises on which we differ are not premises you can argue with because the premises they use are self-protecting -- they deny the value of any argument that hasn't been sanctioned by the leaders, and the leaders know where their bread is buttered -- never mind that application of the liberal worldview general results in greater happiness for everyone, except possibly the worst of the leaders (although many of them seem pretty tortured and unhappy too, when the mask comes off). It really is like a memetic cancer; once it gets going, it takes over.<BR/><BR/>So, yeah, at some point we have to stop trying to be rational with them and just be firm. Lines must be drawn. This is the fact all the arguments against "militant atheism" try to side-step: that at some point in any given dialogue we have to switch tactics from "negotiation" to "taking a stand".<BR/><BR/><I>written in haste... will correct later if there are any glaring errors.</I>Woozlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17948248776908775080noreply@blogger.com