tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post3628654917331543380..comments2023-10-10T05:07:13.577-07:00Comments on En Tequila Es Verdad: Building a Better World: Ice CavesDana Hunterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00890312745525306991noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-44352408732512318482011-01-17T13:15:27.293-08:002011-01-17T13:15:27.293-08:00In wandering the web I have discovered a non lava ...In wandering the web I have discovered a non lava cave that has ice its an old rail road tunnel the Hagerman on the old Colorado Midland line at 11500 feet. Its about 2100 feet long. http://hike.mountainzone.com/hotw/co/hagerman-tunnel/index.html<br />So if you want to spin a society that arises after a dark ages you could have such an apparent ice cave all be it it was a man made cave.Lylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-55200105249707790322011-01-17T00:22:36.528-08:002011-01-17T00:22:36.528-08:00Well, I'd like to second Lyle's recommenda...Well, I'd like to second Lyle's recommendation of both the caves near Shoshone and Bend. They're both pretty baller.<br />However, if you'd like to visit an ice cave closer to home, Gueler Ice Cave is fantastic. It is a lava tube, but if you wanted to get a general ice-cave feel, it might help.<br />It's near Trout Lake, Wa., east of Mt. St. Helens. It's a public, non-developed cave - so, bring your own equipment (3 sources of light per person, plus clothing, food, water, etc.) It's not very big, but it's quite fun.<br />Here is some more information:<br />http://www.adventures-wa.com/2009/08/guler-ice-caves.html<br />And pictures:<br />http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=643&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=guler+cave&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=<br /><br />It could be a really long day trip, but an overnight would be easier. You might also want to wait until the summer.<br />You also might want to contact the Cascade Grotto, and ask if someone would plan a trip to that area! They're very friendly.<br />http://www.cascadegrotto.org/directions.aspx<br /><br />I hadn't heard that ice features could form in non-lava caves! Cavers like to mock "The Descent" because characters brought ice axes, but I guess you might need them sometime! That's really cool, and it's great that you were able to find more scientific information about them. The statodynamic cave seems really cool, and would make it easier for high traffic between the cave and the house.Helena Malloneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15002245476019785194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-55588819655332485162011-01-13T09:44:50.651-08:002011-01-13T09:44:50.651-08:00I'd go with the dynamic or statodynamic ones -...I'd go with the dynamic or statodynamic ones - seems like more room for variety. And because I hate places with only one exit. Gives one the feeling of being with your back against the wall. Also, as with underground mines, one entrance/exit tends toward stagnant air, which is a dead, dull feeling I also don't like.<br /><br />Sounds like a beautiful world!Silver Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03131032620978696727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6851578517872251953.post-11464643754146250582011-01-13T06:41:16.731-08:002011-01-13T06:41:16.731-08:00I would model it after the Shoshone Ice caves in I...I would model it after the Shoshone Ice caves in Idaho, or the Arnold Ice caves in Oregon. Both in lava fields. As the wikipedia article suggests a single entrance so positioned that winter air enters and fills the cave, but that air being denser than summer air the summer air does not enter. (Consider that arctic blasts typically have higher baramoter readings than other air masses. The cave should be the result of a lava tube. So to see on get to Bend Or (which of course has a lot of other geology to recommend it such as newberry volcano, and the sisters and see the cave.Lylenoreply@blogger.com